Recorded on 29/03/20 over Discord due to COVID-19 restrictions. The topic that everyone's talking about. Today we talk about the introduced restrictions in place for Australia, our new work lives, how Asians have been targeted for attacks due to COVID-19 and more.
Guests: Michelle Hua, Kevin Vong & Thanh Le.
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02 - COVID-19, Social Distancing, Where's All The Toilet Paper?
Tung Nguyen [00:00]
Hey guys, it's Tung here, just some editor's notes before we jump into the episode, originally with the two extra guests that I brought on for today, Thanh and Kevin, I had them planned to discuss bring some ideas between single parent and dual parent families rather than just me and Michelle, but we did get caught up on the COVID-19 topic. So we have to save that for a separate episode. Without further ado, enjoy today's show.
Tung Nguyen [00:47]
Hello, and welcome to Episode Two of Rice n Mics podcast. I'm your host, Tung Nguyen. And I'm joined today, again with Michelle show. How you going?
Michelle Hua [01:00]
Tung Nguyen [01:02]
Michelle Hua [01:03]
Tung Nguyen [01:04]
Nice. Nice. And we're joined with two other guests today. That's Kevin.
Kevin Vong [01:10]
Tung Nguyen [01:11]
Thanh Le [01:12]
Tung Nguyen [01:14]
Very, very nice. How you guys doing tonight?
Kevin Vong [01:17]
All right. I'm doing great. All right. I just want to let you guys know they call me big Kevin around there. So I just want you to.
Tung Nguyen [01:23]
Kevin Vong [01:27]
Just mentioning that.
Tung Nguyen [01:28]
Yeah. Okay, all right. Well, we'll leave it at that Thanh.
Thanh Le [01:32]
Not too bad. Not too bad. Pretty good right now. That's my current circumstances around our society. But yeah, we good.
Tung Nguyen [01:40]
Yes, so the gap between episode one and Episode Two is quite lengthy. We recorded that. Probably early January, if I recall correctly.
Kevin Vong [01:52]
Did you record our first episode? How did I go?
Tung Nguyen [1:54]
Oh, come on, man. I thought you were an avid listener. Well, we kind of downplayed COVID-19, a little or Coronavirus on the street, as it's called. Yeah, it's gotten a bit out of hand. Let's get with that.
Kevin Vong [02:08]
I feel the same. I can't earn underestimated the degree the disease as well, when it first started, like, what effectively?
Thanh Le [02:18]
Pretty much the same thing? I honestly I thought it'd be like the swine flu outbreak we had all these years ago. Yeah, did spread, but not to the fencer. Yeah, it's pretty key word.
Michelle Hua [02:29]
I didn't think you'd get to Australia.
Tung Nguyen [02:33]
I think was already in Australia for a while.
Michelle Hua [02:36]
But before we left Japan, those day cases in Australia. I think it only started like end of February.
Tung Nguyen [02:44]
It was probably like a small number.
Kevin Vong [02:44]
It was like five people.
Thanh Le [02:46]
It was very early from what I remember.
Kevin Vong [02:51]
There's a reason why we went to theatre, but because of the statistics, right?
Tung Nguyen [02:56]
See, everyone looks those statistics. It's mostly what is it like 67 year olds that have the higher mortality rate through their immune system? That's what we know so far.
Kevin Vong [03:09]
Yeah. And I only started thinking more about it, about how it would affect my family if I were to get it. Yeah. So if I always get it, and my parents cached it, I wouldn't want that happening. So that's when I that's when I woke up I think.
Tung Nguyen [03:26]
We weren't really thinking about going through this topic, but because it's such a hot topic. Everyone's talking about it. We thought we just cover it.
Kevin Vong [03:34]
It's the new hot thing. Your thing. We are currently in stage two to lockdown.
Thanh Le [03:42]
Yeah, for New South Wales.
Tung Nguyen [03:45]
Yeah, so that was just a conference of some sort. I forgot the actual term of it. Today, Scott Morrison.
Tung Nguyen [03:54]
Thanh Le [03:56]
Yeah, I believe he was discussing the level three lockdown.
Tung Nguyen [03:59]
Not necessarily. Not really level three, but it was more of a more strict a level two or something.
Michelle Hua [04:10]
But we're talking about a third stimulus package.
Tung Nguyen [04:13]
Alright, let's go through it one at a time, depending where you're listening from. We'll just go through the basics. I'm pretty sure you might have heard of this already somehow. So banning close. So you've got clubs, closed hotels, pubs, casinos, nightclubs, cinemas, auction houses, and I don't really care about that. Personal services, beauty therapy, tanning massage tattoo parlors, outdoor and indoor markets.
Kevin Vong [04:39]
A lot of those were already closed.
Tung Nguyen [04:41]
Yeah, but I think it's more of a just straight up ban. Like, yeah, they'll get big fines for that. There's also amusement parks, arcades, galleries, museums, libraries, swimming pools, gyms. And one of the worst that you probably heard about would be the overseas travel. The funny thing was a lot of people found we it was the boot camps Personal Training, only 10 people was the limit. And also the 30 minute time limit for a barber. [Cross Talk 05:11] Yeah, they lifted that June the 26th of March. That's what I'm seeing on the guardian and then use it.
Michelle Hua [05:20]
They changed the boot camping’s. It’s 2 now, not 10.
Tung Nguyen [05:24]
Yeah, that was the recent one. So that's been changed too.
Kevin Vong [05:27]
Can I still get a fresh cut?
Tung Nguyen [05:30]
Well, there's no time limit. So you are can a be right?
Kevin Vong [05:33]
In I need a fresh caut when I'm in like often the most important thing.
Tung Nguyen [05:40]
Weddings restricted to five people, restaurants, cafes, delivery takeaway, only funerals, no more than 10 people, visits to houses should be kept to a very small number of people, including family barbecues and birthday parties. Now, that's an interesting one. So you can't really see your friends, even if it's not in a public area. So I don't know how they're going to enforce that.
Kevin Vong [06:03]
Well, maybe we should ask one of our police mates’ say.
Tung Nguyen [06:06]
Most likely, they'll say they don't really care.
Kevin Vong [06:08]
Michelle Hua [06:10]
Yeah. It's like it's important to meet up with your mates.
Tung Nguyen [06:15]
Oh, is it?
Michelle Hua [06:16]
Kevin Vong [06:16]
Actually speaking of which, when was the last time you guys?
Michelle Hua [06:20]
What was the last time we were out?
Kevin Vong [06:22]
When did you When did you pass break the rules?
Michelle Hua [06:25]
Tung Nguyen [06:26]
I'm sure whatever. It's my house but that's…
Kevin Vong [06:29]
That’s so count any. That's fine. Only more than 10 people at a gathering. And…
Michelle Hua [06:37]
He's my brother.
Tung Nguyen [06:39]
Says visit styles. It should be kept to a very small number of people.
Michelle Hua [06:47]
I think it's more of like, don’t invite a big group of people to your house. It's not essential. Like it's fine if a family member who comes over, but not like five.
Thanh Le [06:56]
I think it's been one week. One week since I've seen anyone besides workmates or been outside that matter.
Kevin Vong [07:04]
A lot of jobs have been closed.
Tung Nguyen [07:08]
You know, they've been telling people to just either work from home or if you're non-essential. In this case, you lose your job.
Thanh Le [07:14]
Made redundant. Yeah.
Tung Nguyen [07:16]
I don't know if there was any severance package that some people may have gotten, depending on your job.
Thanh Le [07:21]
Isn't the center link thing. Sort of like a separate severance package from the government? I'm not too sure that.
Tung Nguyen [07:28]
That's their bailout package. We're just so keen on getting into the topic that we've got to introduce everyone. So Kevin has been one of my good friends for few years.
Kevin Vong [07:39]
Few years. Few years is what you call it a few years.
Tung Nguyen [07:44]
It's gone so fast.
Kevin Vong [07:46]
Hasn’t been decade with.
Tung Nguyen [07:47]
When we graduate. 2014 Oh my God. Yeah, that's a few years.
Kevin Vong [07:55]
Now I think I think I think we've been good friends for the past few years. But we've been friends for like a decade.
Michelle Hua [08:01]
Well, we graduated 2014.
Thanh Le [08:04]
I believe six years, yeah.
Kevin Vong [08:06]
2014 is when you graduate.
Thanh Le [08:07]
Michelle Hua [08:08]
That's a whole years ago.
Kevin Vong [08:09]
Michelle Hua [08:11]
Yeah. What the hell?
Thanh Le [08:13]
Yeah, time flies.
Kevin Vong [08:15]
Now look back in the six years. What have you done with your life?
Michelle Hua [08:18]
Kevin Vong [08:21]
Decent amount for it. We all say the same thing.
Thanh Le [08:25]
Not a lot. I remember that.
Kevin Vong [08:27]
Michelle Hua [08:28]
As long as I don't become, you know, a druggie or anything, I think I'm alright.
Kevin Vong [08:32]
That's what most people aspire not to be.
Tung Nguyen [08:35]
Alright, Kevin, we'll do a little interview per se. Just like a job. You know, tell us a little bit about yourself.
Kevin Vong [08:44]
My name is Kevin, and I just worked out.
Tung Nguyen [08:47]
Nice. What do you do for work Kevin?
Kevin Vong [08:49]
I'm a data center technician in infrastructure operations.
Tung Nguyen [08:56]
That sounds very complicated.
Kevin Vong [08:57]
It's yeah, in there.
Tung Nguyen [09:01]
With the whole COVID-19 happening? How's your job been affected at all?
Kevin Vong [09:05]
Besides being more clean? No. Because our job is considered if it would be, you know, essential, would be considered an essential worker. I see. Because we support the backbone or the infrastructure of the government. So if our servers were to go down, or your infrastructure was to go down, then the government would go down to right. So now my job, I'm grateful is very secured right now in these dark times.
Tung Nguyen [09:37]
Have there been any rumors of working from home?
Kevin Vong [09:39]
I think only those who aren't required to go on site. They can possibly work at home. Even then, we have our team in China to who've gone through this whole Corona thing. And they've just continued working like there was an issue. It was just more people more clean. Just all the standard safety things you would call it for the Coronavirus. But I think what they changed is that they didn't they change to a shift work kind of schedule. So that way, there's less people interacting with each other during the day. Everyone is doing different time different ships, doing night shifts doing dishes, whatever.
Tung Nguyen [10:18]
So that's where the social does.
Kevin Vong [10:21]
More people. Yeah, it's spread out more than condensed now, because of shifts.
Tung Nguyen [10:26]
Okay, that's good. So job hasn't been affected.
Kevin Vong [10:30]
Not that much. Yeah, fortunately. Or unfortunately, if you look at time,
Tung Nguyen [10:39]
Thanh are you going?
Thanh Le [10:39]
Yes, I'm good. Duct ion of myself. So yes, I stated earlier, my name is Thanh. I am 23 born and raised in Australia with the Vietnamese background, and I'm currently a manager slash shift supervisor at Pizza.
Tung Nguyen [10:54]
Nice, that sounds like such a job interview. So I'll…
Thanh Le [11:00]
Let the people know who I am.
Tung Nguyen [11:03]
All right, nice. So alright, you're working in hospitality have sales gone up?
Thanh Le [11:07]
Yes, definitely. Definitely. Sales have gone up. Due to the closure of some shops. Obviously, there isn't really any, I guess much choices now as much as they were before. In terms of it's obviously a business as
Tung Nguyen [11:22]
Well. So you just smashing out a bunch of orders like double more than usual. Any sort of.
Thanh Le [11:28]
Oh, I wouldn't say double but um, the best way I can describe is definitely we're putting on more staff than what we normally for each particular day.
Kevin Vong [11:41]
So you're hiring more people now. You're definitely my staff. A lot more hours recently in charge of putting up our indeed driver ad for the shop. Wow. About an hour we had about maybe 2030 Hmm, maybe? Yeah. What are you gonna take over the business?
Thanh Le [11:58]
Not yet. No. Yeah, I don't know if I want to, but…
Kevin Vong [12:02]
You’re basically doing everything that a business owner would do. Open you’re in branch, franchisee and you never know. You could be your own franchisee you know, say with the level of things you're doing right now, man.
Tung Nguyen [12:16]
I mean, it would it wouldn't be the worst idea. Opening food, like hospitality at this time.
Kevin Vong [12:22]
Yeah, but there's a lot of rules and regulations as you got to follow especially if you're franchising as well. There's a lot of hidden costs and stuff like that you don't really notice there's a lot that goes initially with all this trainer thing as well. Yeah, especially when you don't know how the markets gonna work you don't know if things are gonna get inflated stuff like that. Yeah, there's a lot of things.
Tung Nguyen [12:44]
So besides hiring more people has crooner affected your business in any other way?
Kevin Vong [12:49]
Definitely, it's definitely changed the way we operate. Now. Obviously, with the whole social distancing rules of that, and all that sort of stuff, we've had to really change the way we sort of operate in the shop in terms of cleanliness. So for example, I'm even in the shop right now we can't be standing next to each other at all. Yeah, which is kind of hard at times, especially when it's peak hour and you have like, let's say 678 people in the shop, but we try our best to another rule we've started implementing is every 30 minutes now we're washing our hands and every hour we're sanitizing everything whether it be the work benches, the chairs, the tools we're using stuff like that it truly has affected the way we operate the shops.
Tung Nguyen [13:31]
It's much more thorough than before.
Kevin Vong [13:34]
Yeah, pretty much because this is remember this is a hospitality, the hospitality as well, food. I don't know if it can, if the Coronavirus can be spread through food. I'm not direct. I'm not entirely sure about it. But if it's one way, then obviously we'll try our best not to have people affected. I think he can. I'm pretty sure like if they sneeze on it, then you can if you want something like water drop the sneeze in Yeah, they just stay on your pizza. Okay.
Thanh Le [14:03]
And no one would like that. Of course. Ultimately, it'll make the business look so bad as well if the case happens to have it's because of pizza.
Tung Nguyen [14:16]
All right. He is something that's been on the news it's been talked about for a while. Toilet paper and hand sanitizer. So right before God, what do we even start with this?
Thanh Le [14:35]
Okay, let's start with the beginning actually. How did it become a thing? I thought it was a joke at first. In our community, especially in this area, how did it become a thing? I didn't know that into my clicker. Tony. You should start stocking up on toilet paper. Like why people are gonna buy it out. Like it's an essential like really? Use water, reclaim that bottle. What are your hands so they and then I think just got out of hand. Honestly.
Tung Nguyen [15:07]
It’s not it's just herd mentality. It is that's what it is for me. I know, it's it started from China. And they had some issues with suppliers because no one was working in their factories, and then all of China or predominantly most of them, weren't able to get any, because no one was working those factories. And then that starts to spread. And I don't know about any listeners out there, but if your parents use it, most likely, they would have WeChat some sort of variant of that. Maybe they have relatives up there, they message your parents and they start going crazy. And they start messaging all their friends around the area. That's where it all starts their word of mouth is so crazy. It's ridiculous.
Kevin Vong [15:58]
Considering agent on teeth, they are pretty crazy. In terms of like, word of mouth kind of thing.
Thanh Le [16:03]
Yeah, like I mean, like being stubborn, basically. And that goes into the herd mentality.
Tung Nguyen [16:12]
The funny thing is, our toilet paper is all I think like 80% of it's made in Australia so there's no shortage
Kevin Vong [16:21]
The only reason why I was able to get like toilet paper recently it was because my sister's a nurse and they gave special opening times for my sister
Tung Nguyen [16:29]
Oh that's during the likes yeah earlier 7 to 8am thing.
Thanh Le [16:35]
Yeah with calls I need I've heard is any fingers will lease or call each other one but then usually whenever would good for the supermarkets because we're running out of toilet paper. I didn't buy it before these crazy things up. Craze happened but we were running out so it was quite unfortunate that my sister was a nurse. Yes, well unfortunate. Depends on here.
Tung Nguyen [16:59]
You guys know anyone that stocked up or hoarded.
Thanh Le [17:04]
Hopefully No, no, I don't know anyone.
Kevin Vong [17:07]
I don't know if I knew anyone personally but my workmate told me to stock up on toilet paper before everyone went for toilet paper. So I think he caught it.
Tung Nguyen [17:17]
Michelle. So what do you do for work?
Michelle Hua [17:20]
I work at the pet store. We but we have both online and the physical store, which is a small business that's run by two people. Yeah, we sell pet food pet accessories. People have been panicked buying a lot of pet stuff as well because they need to feed their animals.
Thanh Le [17:37]
So I hear I hear a lot of people talking now. I don't know if
Michelle Hua [17:42]
It’s actually really yeah, I've seen a lot of people bring in puppies now. People are panic buying animals. But why they don't want to be lonely at home.
Kevin Vong [17:54]
Okay, like yeah, I guess.
Michelle Hua [17:58]
Yeah, like a pet companion. So I've seen a lot of people buy like copy things. Bring the puppies in as well buy new animals asking us for advice on what to buy for their animals. Like they have zero experience but they just already bought the dog or cat or whatever.
Tung Nguyen [18:14]
So what's a popular breed?
Michelle Hua [18:15]
Tung Nguyen [18:17]
Yeah, they just adopting going for.
Michelle Hua [18:20]
Any? Anybody that's available anybody?
Kevin Vong [18:23]
This is just to keep them company during the corner.
Michelle Hua [18:26]
Kevin Vong [18:27]
It’s happening all over the world, especially in America. But I kind of wonder what would happen afterwards when this whole thing blows?
Michelle Hua [18:34]
Yeah, I feel like offered over the puppy faces over everyone's gonna put them back at the shelter.
Kevin Vong [18:40]
Either abandon them or the dogs would have abandonment issues or attachment issues.
Michelle Hua [18:44]
100% that's what happens during Christmas as well. You know, parents buy puppies for their kids and stuff. Once the puppy phase is over. The parents can look after them anymore. They just put them back in the shelter. That's why I think after like six or so months after Christmas, that's when its peak in shelters.
Kevin Vong [19:03]
Really people return after holiday period.
Michelle Hua [19:05]
After the puppy phase because they're not cute anymore, too big. That's quite, that's sad. Yeah, especially like huskies and stuff. People buy them as puppies because they're so cute. But then once they grow older, they're really yappy energetic they shut it off. And parents just like nah can't do this.
Kevin Vong [19:25
Thanh Le [19:26]
I didn't think that was a thing at all. I never heard of this because I haven't owned a pet that wow.
Tung Nguyen [19:30]
Your fish very forgot about fish fishes.
Kevin Vong [19:40]
Why did you hear fishes?
Tung Nguyen [19:42]
Thanh Le [17:43]
I don't know my mom actually wanted to say it's not you but your mom now. Yeah, my mom wanted if you were to get a pet. Why would you get if I could get a dog? A dog, what breed though? How likely? What? I don't I didn't have any way that I know of. I don't know, no perfect what and I think dogs model medium. Old man a big job.
Kevin Vong [20:12]
I like small dogs.
Tung Nguyen [20:13]
That's very Asian of you.
Kevin Vong [20:15]
Went over to my friend's house. And she had a big dog and I just couldn't handle a dog. It was just too, too energetic too. Too overwhelming.
Tung Nguyen [20:25]
I think you can't overpower it.
Kevin Vong [20:27]
Yeah, I prefer my small dog. You can beat it. I like it better. And my small dog was not hump me.
Tung Nguyen [20:35]
Oh, yeah. You have a girl dog?
Kevin Vong [20:37]
No, my dog does not have a big dog does.
Tung Nguyen [20:41]
There's another guy? Yeah,
Michelle Hua [20:43]
Tung Nguyen [20:44]
Michelle Hua [20:45]
Tung Nguyen [20:47]
Should I take charge?
Michelle Hua [20:49]
Anyways, it’s mandatory to wear masks at work now, which is good, because I serve at the cash register as of the front, and I'm always touching dirty money talking to people. We've tried implementing the 1.5 million distance. So we've put tape on the floor. But one thing, it's like a pet peeve. I really hate it when people lick the fingers before touching the cash. Like just to spread like the 50s or whatever.
Thanh Le [21:17]
That reminded me of just handing out homework.
Michelle Hua [21:22]
Like we're teaching with money and they lick the fingers. Yeah, I don't like that either.
Kevin Vong [21:22]
I personally don't know a single Asian who does it? I worked in hospitality, but I feel like it was such a non-Asian thing to do for some reason.
Thanh Le [21:30]
Is that the PC way of saying?
Michelle Hua [21:36]
No, I don't know what nationality they are. Most of the time. I just look at what they do.
Kevin Vong [21:41]
I realized it was a trend in ageing wants to lose money.
Michelle Hua [21:46]
Well lick the money. Lick the fingers.
Kevin Vong [21:47]
I know what you mean. Like the finger. Still?
Tung Nguyen [21:51]
Yeah, you should
Michelle Hua [21:52]
No we have F 10 which is a veterinary grade disinfectant, that we spray a counter on our counters. And the catch was that every time there's a new customer, so every time we finish serving them, we spray it spray hands. And I think by the end of this my hands gonna be very dry.
Tung Nguyen [22:12]
Wrinkly. Give moisturizing honey is a moisturizer, a hand sanitizer gel and a spray next to the register.
Tung Nguyen [22:21]
Got the whole Wazoo.
Michelle Hua [22:21]
Yeah, and then every, like 10 minutes or so we have to walk around the store and spray all the baskets and trolleys just in case because the thing is that we're not like a chain or franchise. We're just one store. If one of us gets sick, then we have to close the store. Just as all of us have the quarantine you know, I mean? Just saying like what like, is there any, like 10 workers that work under my company? And if one of us gets sick, we don't know how long it's been spreading around the store or whatever.
Kevin Vong [22:50]
Would you call yourself your business and essential business?
Michelle Hua [22:52]
Yeah, of course. It's like the supermarket buffalo pets.
Kevin Vong [22:56]
Exactly. Yeah, because you can't buy everything you need at Woollies or cause where your animals say like medication. Or actually you can or you can't really buy like cream or like vet prescriptions. Yeah, on like at Woollies or Kohl's. You got to go to you know, pet barn or like an actual store that's got it. But if worst comes to us, we're going to just shut down a store and just work on the online side. So we're just gonna pack and deliver.
Kevin Vong [23:22]
Your store sells the veterinary grade sanitizer.
Michelle Hua [23:24]
Yes, people have been panic buying about too.
Kevin Vong [23:28]
Many at a time.
Michelle Hua [23:30]
When we didn't have we didn't imply any limit to be weird. What we've been doing is just putting one on shelves and just saying it's been out of stock. There's been times where we'd had like six bottles on the shelf and a customer be like, can I have all those? There's no limit. Let me buy them all. And then can you call me? Can you call me back? If there's more in stock? Like it's not necessary? You don't need six bottles?
Kevin Vong [23:52]
Yeah. It's stupid. You guys set a limit.
Michelle Hua [23:55]
While we can't anymore because we sold out. So we just kept a couple of dollars for ourselves.
Kevin Vong [24:00]
So you let them buy?
Michelle Hua [24:01]
Yeah, we couldn't stop them because we didn't implement the rule earlier.
Kevin Vong [24:06]
They will be cheering if they got all of that.
Michelle Hua [24:07]
Or they did use it or you keep trying to sell it.
Kevin Vong [24:10]
The mom I don't know she drove in a Mercedes and stuff. Very rich. I think she's probably gonna keep it to herself to be honest. Looked. She was maybe she's rich for a reason. Doing shit like this. Maybe it's not necessary people for people to panic by those kinds of stuff. It's mob mentality. Well, what can you do?
Tung Nguyen [24:36]
Going back to toilet paper.
Michelle Hua [24:38]
Toilet paper was stupid.
Kevin Vong [24:38]
Out of all the things to hoard toilet paper. Really know.
Michelle Hua [24:43]
The 70 alternatives to that paper?
Kevin Vong [24:46]
Yeah, like your hands. Yeah. Or, or get the thing that you got recently, right?
Tung Nguyen [24:55]
Yes, a day. I can't believe people don’t have the days it's not a standard in the West.
Michelle Hua [25:00]
I regret not buying it anytime. I regret not buying it sooner because the price has gone up.
Tung Nguyen [25:06]
Or been price jacked.
Michelle Hua [25:07]
Up for like 200 and something dollars. I think its 100 now 800 for the pagan one, yeah. Wow, it's right. What can you do?
Tung Nguyen [25:19]
Well, here's an interesting article. I came across this from ABC. And this was posted I think, six days ago. So it says Coronavirus panic buying no issue for Victorian family toilet paper free for five years. Original Victorian family has gone toilet paper free for five years and as a result have found themselves ahead of the curve when it comes to dealing with Coronavirus panic buying. As an interesting article even like this one. Megan Patrick from Daylesford Now use a squat composting toilet and family cloths reusable wipes made from flannel. They made the change when they realized the popular toilet paper delivery service they use manufactured that rolls in China. The flannel is from a local op shop and has been going strong for five years. After each wipe the cloth is put into a bucket beside the toilet with optional eucalyptus oil. And every five days to a week the family cloth takes a spin in a front loading washing machine at maximum heat. After being washed. The family cloth is dried on an outdoors clothes horse. It is just one in a series of changes the couple has made over the course of a decade, including giving up shopping at supermarkets giving up their car and turning off the gas at home in favor of a wood heater. It's the same…
Michelle Hua [26:48]
So if they were to use that to wipe the ass after they check a shed wouldn't it be crispy if the left in the bucket to dry for like a week?
Tung Nguyen [27:01]
I mean, that's why they're using maximum heat. Right?
Kevin Vong [27:03]
That's why they're washing maximum heat.
Tung Nguyen [27:05]
To melt them back down.
Michelle Hua [27:07]
Where does the guy in the washing machine?
Kevin Vong [27:09]
Go down the drain? Yes, the drain.
Tung Nguyen [27:12]
What do you think the water goes??
Michelle Hua [27:14]
To a dryer?
Kevin Vong [27:17]
Isn't there like a hose that connects? The drain? Yeah, drains, I guess dry but even tennis.
Tung Nguyen [27:26]
That's pretty nasty. It's like reusing a paper towel. It's what can we say?
Kevin Vong [27:31]
I don't think I would want to wash my clothes knowing that my washing machine has been washed with faucal matter. Actually, yeah, bunch a bunch of faucal matter.
Michelle Hua [27:38]
And it's been the same cloth for five years.
Tung Nguyen [27:41]
Yeah, five years, same one, five years.
Kevin Vong [27:44]
I mean, you haven't been there from regional Victoria.
Thanh Le [27:47]
Doesn’t say anything about how much money they've saved using this method.
Tung Nguyen [27:51]
Not a number?
Michelle Hua [27:53]
I don't think they save much. If you think about it, how much do you spend? How much do you spend to run the washing machine to wash that?
Thanh Le [28:00]
Kevin Vong [28:02]
I wouldn't look for to save on toilet paper.
Tung Nguyen [28:05]
That's not you're putting your energy in the wrong area. But the thing of the environment?
Kevin Vong [28:10]
I mean, isn't toilet paper recycle? I know that goes down the drain. But even it's just one family right in regional Victoria.
Michelle Hua [28:17]
I mean, you can recycle it if you want. Worse comes to worse. Why can't we use nature? We just wipe our acid leaves.
Tung Nguyen [28:25]
Yeah, the days are not so you guys have to get on that.
Michelle Hua [28:29]
Not if it's up like times for.
Thanh Le [28:32]
I know. There's both sides, right? People don't want washing up the ass. And the other side where people enjoy it.
Michelle Hua [28:41]
But it's the same thing if you were to shower and wash your hands. Do you know why she asked me shall
Kevin Vong [28:45]
I wash my ass?
Tung Nguyen [28:48]
But is it different?
Michelle Hua [28:49]
Kevin Vong [28:51]
So your pressure is.
Thanh Le [28:52]
You wipe your ass before you're in the shower, right?
Michelle Hua [28:54]
Tung Nguyen [28:56]
Well, not anymore. I spray it.
Kevin Vong [28:57]
Yeah, if I see is spray it. So.
Michelle Hua [29:00]
You could you could still wipe but you don't need that much toilet paper.
Kevin Vong [29:04]
You wipe your ass before you get a shower. Then you wash it out. It's different between
Michelle Hua [29:09]
No what I'm saying is people don't like the feeling of having water shut up there as.
Kevin Vong [29:09]
You get used. Yeah, but it's a lot more clean. I don't mind.
Michelle Hua [29:18]
You don't use as much toilet paper because you…
Tung Nguyen [29:20]
Oh my god, it's been reduced. I wasn't sure if I had enough toilet paper. I checked the closet. The you know the bathroom drawers. If there were any left's thankfully that's still like two packs. My parents usually buy in bulk.
Michelle Hua [29:35]
We ran out.
Tung Nguyen [29:37]
So that was fine. Once I got the day I was on the same toilet roll. So it's like my family's the toilet will probably on the same roll for like, maybe a week.
Michelle Hua [29:49]
Its B boys use a lot less toilet rolls and girls.
Tung Nguyen [29:54]
It's really just kid right. That's it. Yeah, we have to.
Kevin Vong [30:00]
Because yeah, your waters wet on the aspect. So yeah, I used to have a hose and stored the Southeast Asian ones. I used to have an air hose and stored in my toilet where you can just spray us off the patient, too.
Thanh Le [30:16]
That's not a no, that was when I got used to it. I was no
Kevin Vong [30:20]
That’s the cheap alternative. That's $15 I spent 255 a day and now it's like it's price jacked to like six 800 so it's not really an option if I really want to save toilet paper the day that I bought also the drying function but has a bit you know over the top, but not something I really use.
Thanh Le [30:46]
Do you think v days are going to become the norm?
Tung Nguyen [30:49]
I hope it does. It really is we think it will become the norm in Australia because after coming from Japan wholly holy crap almost every single toilet had a bad day. No this is the thing it's expensive and you know if it's in a public toilets gonna get bamboozled by someone here in Sydney, right? Yeah, public toilets. It's no chance that's gonna be installed.
Kevin Vong [31:13]
But Japan of course.
Michelle Hua [31:13]
I think as manufacturers in Japan, so it's cheaper to buy that.
Tung Nguyen [31:18]
It’s not going to get vandalized
Thanh Le [31:21]
Will not be a good business. Why don't we open a factory here? God forbid,
[Michelle Hua 31:27]
No one's gonna buy it.
Kevin Vong [31:28]
At least if the issue was that it was not manufactured.
Tung Nguyen [31:31]
There. There's no issue with manufacturing and manufacturing. Yeah.
Michelle Hua [31:37]
Yeah, maybe it's just a culture thing.
Kevin Vong [31:41]
It probably cost a thing. I don't know how we got so popular or big in Japan in with.
Thanh Le [31:46]
It's just cleaner.
Tung Nguyen [31:48]
It's better for us. If you get like, let's say you dip your hand in like manure, right? You don't just wipe it with paper towels yet water, same thing?
Kevin Vong [32:02]
Tung Nguyen [32:04]
Oh, yeah. But let's just say.
Kevin Vong [32:06]
Before your hands when I asked.
Tung Nguyen [32:07]
Now, if you have a pressure hose, that's nuts. You get that on your butt. It's gonna get it all off all those little pooch chips gone.
Kevin Vong [32:15]
That was similar to the hose that was used back when I was a kid.
Tung Nguyen [32:20]
Yeah, the hose is like 15 bucks.
Michelle Hua [32:22]
I don't care if there's a bit of poo on there. But compared to the hand because you don't use your butt for everything. But usually handbag or anything.
Tung Nguyen [32:30]
It's just the comparison.
Kevin Vong [32:33]
Yeah, that's the whole situation generally, just such a crappy situation, right?
Tung Nguyen [32:40]
Kevin Vong [32:42]
I see myself out there in.
Tung Nguyen [32:47]
Now, with this people don't have enough toilet paper.
Michelle Hua [32:52]
Pasta. Are you having panic buying pasta?
Tung Nguyen [32:56]
Sorry, hold on. There's been a lot of reports of plumbers finding a lot of blockages. Let's say in this article from the ABC. In Eastern Victoria Gipps land region, the number of sewer blockages has tripled since February. A lot of those things that you can't flush, so they dragged up underwear. They know why that's their flushable toilet flushable wipes or something? Those flush actually, contrary to belief on flushable they don't break down. There's also baby wipes, tissues, tea towels newspaper. Oh my god. It's ridiculous. Those are the alternatives that people are using. And if you don't have any toilet paper, just go in the shower, because you got to run into a bigger issue if your sewers get clogged up.
Kevin Vong [33:49]
Other people knew not to flush down baby wipes. And the likes done at all people thought that was like a general knowledge kind of thing.
Tung Nguyen [33:58]
People get desperate. It's very strange.
Kevin Vong [34:01]
Or maybe they're just ignorant. I can never tell but
Tung Nguyen [34:06]
I'd say desperation.
Kevin Vong [34:07]
If you don't have to flush then just throw in the bin.
Tung Nguyen [34:11]
You'll see that don't like that smells gonna linger.
Kevin Vong [34:11]
No, the smell is not in lingo because it's on a baby wipe and the baby wipes kind of cleanses as well.
Tung Nguyen [34:19]
Right? We got to know a lot of people that aren't gonna listen.
Kevin Vong [34:22]
I'm speaking from experience by the way.
Tung Nguyen [34:25]
Okay. Emergencies happen.
Kevin Vong [34:29]
And yet they should no matter how much times you wipe, it just keeps staining, right? Yes, the infinite White is kind of shit. The Infinite.
Tung Nguyen [34:39]
That's what the base for.
Kevin Vong [34:42]
Yeah, or baby wipes. But don't flush it down the toilet. I'm pretty sure. I’ve got which company was but they sell toiletries like wet wipes for you, but I don't know if it's degradable in the water. So I'm not sure how they do it. But then they do sell it for you're asked specifically for your part of it.
Tung Nguyen [35:03]
So what the No, because the way how toilet paper works is that if it gets wet it gets it breaks down in the water pretty much. So with COVID-19 originating in China, there have been a lot of racial attacks by racism.
Michelle Hua [35:29]
I haven't experienced that. So far.
Thanh Le [35:22]
I haven't had any bad.
Kevin Vong [35:34]
Nothing bad. Sam Yeah, nothing bad, but see it all the time on the internet?
Tung Nguyen [35:39]
Yeah, it's mostly what I've seen. It's mostly recounts of other people. I haven't experienced it either.
Michelle Hua [35:49]
I think it just because we're in such an Asian suburb.
Kevin Vong [35:54]
I think it just our general is very multicultural.
Tung Nguyen [35:57]
Yeah, but still, if you were to cough, people would just look at that and to give you a get anyone to not just stages, but at this point. Yeah. But when it first started, there was definitely more of a stigma against Asian people having some sort of symptom.
Kevin Vong [36:17]
Yeah. Because the whole China thing.
Tung Nguyen [36:21]
Yeah. So there's just misinformation going around everywhere. People saying any fine for this for that if you're carpooling with someone that's not from your household, like you're not leaving.
Kevin Vong [36:34]
People like spreading misinformation.
Tung Nguyen [36:36]
I have no idea just for a laugh.
Kevin Vong [36:39]
Just for a laugh maybe just for clout. They want popularity as being attention me attention, see.
Tung Nguyen [36:46]
Yeah, they want shares and likes on their Facebook status.
Kevin Vong [36:48]
And one day a dolphin? I think yes, yes, yes, that's probably an RNA. Sometimes don't understand why people spit out misinformation.
Michelle Hua [37:01]
Maybe it's just been really bad Chinese whispers.
Tung Nguyen [37:03]
Chinese whispers it could be.
Thanh Le [37:04]
That we're looking for someone to blame.
Kevin Vong [37:06]
Anyways Coronavirus has really made it had an impact, especially its agents. I think so far. I've never seen this much discrimination or racism. Before the Coronavirus.
Tung Nguyen [37:34]
Yeah, people see it as like a like a free pass essentially, to just blame them.
Kevin Vong [37:28]
I sometimes see it as a scapegoat to for all the shit that's happening right now. They're looking for someone to blame. Where do we come from? Wahoo, ha. Right. We're in China, with China in Asia, right? Just brain fog in Asia.
Tung Nguyen [37:46]
Yes, I've seen a lot of tweets where people just get attacked, even though they're from like Vietnam, Cambodia, and that is people just saying, oh, you're from China. Go back to where you came from. Stop bringing the virus over. It's ridiculous.
Kevin Vong [38:02]
The bigotry is so insane. Now.
Michelle Hua [38:05]
Do you see that? Did you see the charts on? How many people have been affected? Like it's like, the highest ones like Europe?
Kevin Vong [38:13]
Yeah. But it started from China, and people want to get that.
Tung Nguyen [38:18]
So how about that gathering at Bondi Beach?
Michelle Hua [38:21]
No, so fucking stupid.
Tung Nguyen [38:26]
For those that don't know, when they want stage two lockdowns in place. You weren't supposed to go to places you didn't need to go. And you also needed to keep, like about 1.5 meter distance between other people. Social distancing. And one day beach in Sydney pretty much looks like it was unaffected people everywhere. It's crowded. And I'm pretty sure there were some people that tested positive after I think some European backpackers from what I remember. Yeah. And that's where tougher restrictions were brought into place. I'm not sure if it was level one first and then turned to level two because of that. It was one of that.
Michelle Hua [39:12]
I think that's what happened.
Kevin Vong [39:15]
Quite crazy. I know it's happening all over the world too. When people are told to stay home but they don't.
Michelle Hua [39:22]
Yeah, I think we're very behind compared to different countries.
Thanh Le [39:26]
In terms of the response
Michelle Hua [39:28]
Yeah, community restrictions as well. Look at Italy they already shut down everything you know why? In lockdown.
Thanh Le [39:33]
Um, they know Are they in a worse condition than us? So it makes
Kevin Vong [39:38]
Yeah, that's why they're in lockdown. We're not in lockdown yet.
Michelle Hua [39:40]
Yeah. The most condition about we don't want to wait to in worse condition to this.
Thanh Le [39:45]
That's true that.
Kevin Vong [39:46]
If the numbers continue to rise and we won't be in lockdown, I see it happening.
Thanh Le [39:50]
A lockdown. It's gonna happen in envelope.
Kevin Vong [39:54]
If numbers keep rising.
Michelle Hua [39:55]
100 bucks. Numbers are gonna keep rising.
Kevin Vong [39:57]
Who see maybe everyone will be smart about it. But I know everyone I know now are washing their hands more using hand sanitizer and cleaning themselves more now I think.
Michelle Hua [40:07]
Yeah, I don't wash my hands so much in my life.
Kevin Vong [40:11]
What's something you guys didn't realize before the Coronavirus effort and you realize now.
Thanh Le [40:16]
How important hand hygiene is.
Kevin Vong [40:19]
Yeah, it was one of the things actually I didn't wash my hands as often as I had thought before the Coronavirus.
Tung Nguyen [40:24]
It was only when I showered that was me.
Kevin Vong [40:27]
Oh like, obviously, I poop was only after that. I usually use soap. And like, you know, off the toilet. But now I always use so for anything. Everything. Anyone else? Man. I didn't realize they are love. Oh, which call in piety or stupid people in society in our society or community before this crazy thing happened.
Michelle Hua [40:57]
Already knew those stupid people.
Tung Nguyen [41:00]
Alright, well now with the Coronavirus, Australia has closed its borders. If you're not from Australia, you'd have to turn back. We've got one of our mates who just landed in just today just and midnight yesterday. That's well, midnight. Today, yesterday. Let's go with yesterday. Let's go with Saturday at 12am. That's when the restrictions were held in place where if you landed in, no matter where you came from, you'd have to be isolated for 14 days and they put you into quarantine. And quarantine for 14 days. Yeah, he's in a four star hotel. He snapchatted us actually doesn't look off that. But he has stood there 14 days. He does get three meals a day.
Kevin Vong [41:55]
With nothing but his right.
Tung Nguyen [41:57]
And his laptop and they get free Wi Fi here.
Thanh Le [42:02]
Are they being patrolman? Yeah, I'm taping patrolled by like the federal police or something like that. I'm not sure.
Tung Nguyen [42:08]
Police army is something else. There's actually quite a lot. I think ADF Australian Defense Force. Off top my head. I don't recall. But it does get Foxtel as well. Which is no sports going on? We could not watch. You can watch movies on there.
Thanh Le [42:32]
Some Bob goes as well.
Tung Nguyen [42:34]
Yeah. And he's told us that one of the people that he was with, it was about 30 minutes after they go into the room and they had strict instructions to stay in the room. You cannot go out not even outside the hallway, have to remain in the room. Can't wander around the hotel at all. And he said after about 30 minutes. One of the guests that he was with already went outside. I think they took him to prison. I don't know if they're going to keep them in there as a scare tactic or something. But that was pretty crazy. Already. Yes. Get actually making an example out of him.
Kevin Vong [43:14]
Exactly. That's all it sure.
Tung Nguyen [43:15]
Yeah. So when he gets food, they dropped out the door, knock, leave and then he does grabs it off to like a minute. It's crazy.
Michelle Hua [43:27]
It sounds like jail. A fancy jail.
Kevin Vong [43:29]
It does. Understandable, especially after the whole incident. They
Michelle Hua [43:35]
Are the crews. You know, one of my work may actually was on that cruise. And she came back. She came back to work right off the cruise because I didn't tell it to quarantine anything. And I think she landed on Wednesday. She came back to work on Thursday. And then Friday and on Saturday they emailed her and told her to quarantine
Tung Nguyen [43:57]
And that's the cruise that everyone's talking about that had a few confirmed cases. Yeah, that was on the nose.
Kevin Vong [44:00]
No apparently there was none.
Tung Nguyen [44:02]
Michelle Hua [44:04]
What do you mean?
Kevin Vong [44:05]
I remember them saying that they did not know anyone on the cruise that had Coronavirus to afterward.
Michelle Hua [44:12]
Yeah. So they said there was no confirmed cases so everyone could go do whatever No need to quarantine isolate.
Kevin Vong [44:19]
And then afterwards, they found out there was like 50 or something people.
Michelle Hua [44:22]
Yeah. They didn't test them before after. But the thing is that they thought they didn't need to get tested because they never docked anywhere. They were on the boat the whole time. So they didn't go to New Zealand. Oh, Tony, yeah. So then he left Sydney stayed at sea and then came back.
Tung Nguyen [44:39]
[Michelle Hua 44:40]
That's why they said there was no need to quarantine. But pour like one or two people already infected and then popped on.
Tung Nguyen [44:47]
Yeah, no social distancing on there.
Michelle Hua [44:49]
Nope, you're stuck on a boat. So stupid. I thought would be like common sense. Just a quarantine just to be careful. Nope.
Tung Nguyen [44:57]
And here's an interesting article I found, this is from Yahoo, one of the articles on here. So Tokyo Olympics 2020, that's been postponed, I believe 2021.
Thanh Le [45:08]
All the major sporting, pretty much everything has been postponed.
Tung Nguyen [45:13]
Yeah. So if it does come down next year, they're still going to branded as Tokyo 2020 Olympics. And what I found interesting was, let's see, Japan's finance minister, Tara also referencing an eerie 40 year anomaly that saw before I continue. So there's this notion that there's a 40 year curse that happens with the Olympics. So if we go back 40 years ago, 1980 Moscow games, yeah, that had just boycotts because of the Russian invasion of Afghanistan. 65 different nations refuse to participate. And then in 1940, that was cancelled. Judo. World War Two pretty interesting.
Kevin Vong [45:38]
I heard Japan have been the only country to have the Olympics cancelled or postponed twice.
Tung Nguyen [46:04]
What was the other time?
Kevin Vong [46:05]
I think it was one of the world wars, or was a recently where like a summer games or something? winter knows Olympics, leaving Japan is just unlucky.
Thanh Le [46:14]
How long ago was this?
Kevin Vong [46:17]
Can look that up.
Thanh Le [46:20]
1964 a summer winter might have been summer.
Kevin Vong [46:25]
I'd have to find like a source for that.
Thanh Le [46:28]
They wasted it three times. In 94 was the Summer Olympics and then in 1972, in 1998, it was the winter and then the one coming up.
Kevin Vong [46:39]
Japan was the country affected back then in 1948. So 1940, Japan was in Philippi was cancelled in Japan in the 1940. So the early times in the face of cancelled wages in Japan.
Thanh Le [47:00]
I want to know how freak in anti Vax people would react to this. And what would happen to my like, think about it, like how are they? How would they actually act?
The elderberries essential oils now it's fixing up right
Tung Nguyen [47:18]
Healing crystals affected.
Thanh Le [47:24]
I want to know what would actually happen Coronavirus, and like the vaccine use would actually take it or not?
Kevin Vong [47:31]
I don't think so. They wouldn't. They wouldn't know I think right now the consensus is that it's just like a conspiracy theory thing to you.
Thanh Le [47:41]
Now for the government to make money off us.
Kevin Vong [47:43]
Yeah, stuff like that. But then they're very against any vaccines in general. And those are just stupid.
Thanh Le [47:48]
Well, maybe this is the step in the face that they realize.
Kevin Vong [47:52]
I mean, sick and didn't come hospitalized then they're gonna have to get the vaccine. I mean.
Thanh Le [47:57]
You can still legally say no, you don't want to treat.
Kevin Vong [48:01]
Even if you're liking your cancer.
Thanh Le [48:05]
Ah, that obviously that's a bit different.
Tung Nguyen [48:06]
I'll ask about that.
Thanh Le [48:11]
She would know about this. Who? Kevin? She's a nurse she...
Kevin Vong [48:18]
She’s not a nice though. In like a general nurse. She's a nurse and mostly I yeah, I general duties and stuff. Because they're not trained in that this was really a shit show. Wasn't it?
Tung Nguyen [48:35]
Sounds to cover about with Coronavirus it's not.
Thanh Le [48:37]
It's very broad very broad.
Kevin Vong [48:40]
Because you're talking about shit.
Tung Nguyen [48:42]
Kevin Vong [48:44]
Come on to explain it got.
Michelle Hua [48:48]
Any bargains because of the Coronavirus.
Tung Nguyen [48:50]
Actually a lot of clothes on sale online clothes retailers who have closed selling.
Thanh Le [48:56]
Isn’t a huge honor for online retailers online shopping again?
Michelle Hua [48:59]
I thought like Matt said he had no what is this? Why he doesn't have a job
Tung Nguyen [49:04]
Yet because we're going into like a recession.
Thanh Le [49:06]
You, yeah, the market is going to dip like crazy throughout the whole year. And it's not going to recover for like a couple years and.
Kevin Vong [49:14]
This is where I start to invest stocks.
Thanh Le [49:17]
Yeah, freak in the others are investing already man fucking they keep talking about.
Yeah, we have some friends who are investing right now. And they're still learning still learning about how it really just started you. That's how you do it. Basically how it all works. I've thought about dabbling into that kind of market before. So Entrepreneur 2.0 is a feature that's on now. Maybe 10 years down the line. You'll hear me talk about that.
Tung Nguyen [49:53]
Any other last things you guys want to say?
Kevin Vong [49:56]
Ah, last thing, last thing last thing? Yeah. So I'll say one last thing that I would like to say is pretty, you're quite really quite new to this kind of thing to a podcast. I like to think of it. It's just talking to my friends about things. Like talking to my friends about events or life in general things we usually talk about to ourselves for not in recorded form. Nice with more experience, it's probably be a better podcast, right?
Tung Nguyen [50:24]
I mean, everyone's got to start somewhere.
Kevin Vong [50:26]
Tung Nguyen [50:27]
Alright, so with that note, we'll close it off for tonight. If you guys have any feedback, any questions, comments, you know, give us an email more than happy to have a look at it. So emails, ricenmics firstname.lastname@example.org. So that's the letter N. So that's Rice, letter N. Mics MICS. email@example.com. we’d love to hear what you think. If there's anything we need to improve on. Anything at all, send us an email.
Michelle Hua [50:57]
Or a topic you want us to discuss.
Tung Nguyen [51:00]
Yeah, well, that's alright. We'll sign off tonight. See you later. Bye.
Being born in Australia has its perks. We have access to free healthcare, government supported payments and gun bans. I moved to Cabramatta because the property was cheap and it was the only suburb my family could afford. This was probably due to the reputation it had with being dangerous. Looking at Cabramatta now, it's now one of the most popular food spots in Sydney with the huge range of cultures and diversities in cuisine.
I think the experience of being an Asian here in Australia to other western countries will be different. But I'm also certain that there'd be much to relate to. I'm sure we've all once pretended to be our parents to help them with a bill, or have had those thick blankets with flower patterns or tigers whipped out during winter. Have a listen to this podcast and catch a glimpse of some of the stories we experience.
I was around 8 years old when I first touched a computer. Ever since then, I have only been increasingly attracted to technology overtime. Naturally, I would go on to find a role in the tech field but that was not always the case. I feel like everyone has always thought about different pathways that they could have walked, maybe in a different timeline? I was always undecided about what exactly I wanted to pursue. With my only pro being related to tech, I decided to pursue university and a career in technology. During university, I was quite directionless, just cruising through and not putting my whole heart into anything. It was only during my last year of university that I found something that pointed me into the right direction, and to find that is why I’m so thankful for University.
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